Dr. George Tiller, Operation Rescue, Late Term Abortion Procedure doctor murdered in Church

05.31.09

They killed him in Church. Dr. George Tiller was murdered in his church on a Sunday.

I’m a Jewish woman from Los Angeles raised by left wing hippie idealists, weaned on a steady diet of Ms. Magazine, peace rallies and communist ideals.

And with my background, I ache for the people who went to church to pray this morning, and instead were victims of the hate group known as Operation Rescue.

Right now, there is a woman in or around Wichita Kansas who needs an abortion. It’s not about convience or promiscuity, there are situations which put the mother’s life at risk.

With Dr. Tiller dying at the hands of a hate group, you can get ready for more of this.

abortion-death

Because this is what abortion looks like when it’s forced underground.

I am furious, and sad.

I am also pro-life. Yeah, go figure.

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  • http://www.suburbanoblivion.com Suburban Oblivion

    I love how I keep seeing some of these extremist pro-lifers keeping saying how “he didn’t deserve to be killed BUT…” Once you add that but, you completely nullify the part where you sounded like someone who truly believed in being pro-LIFE. Pro-life does not mean picking and choosing who should get to live and who doesn’t. Either life is precious or it isn’t.

    And to whoever said something about us not being animals, it’s worth pointing out many animals will eat their young when they feel their environment is not safe for raising babies. Personally I find abortion far more civilized than cannibalism, but it’s interesting to note that even in nature this sort of thing does happen.

    Oh and Conor, what planet did you step off of that it’s all about the WOMAN keeping her legs closed? Why don’t I see you spewing such things about men keeping their dicks in their pants? Oh wait, I know, because that would imply that men have some hand in this, and thus equal responsibility to keep their pants zipped. (You were a virgin till marriage, right?)

  • http://www.tangerinetimes.com Myrna

    I agree Olivier. This is domestic terrorism. I remember when Roe V Wade was first passed. My father (a physician) was the ONLY doctor in our small town who would perform the procedures. This was a legal, approved medical procedure and my father was harrassed in the small town paper and shunned by many of the “leaders” in the town. I worked in his clinic part-time and can remember the atmosphere. Although he was a GP and didn’t technically HAVE to offer abortions, he felt it was morally wrong to NOT offer his patients an option. Many of the patients who came to him couldn’t even afford to drive to Dallas where they might have more options. Many, many young girls were given a second chance because of him. This saddens me beyond belief.

  • http://welcometothejuggle.blogspot.com Juggle Jane

    I fail to see the logic in going into a church to kill another human being to make a point about killing.

    For me, the choice debate will always come down to 2 words: Who decides? Who decides what grown women do with their own bodies?

    My answer will always be the same as Dr. Tiller’s and Dr. Carhart’s: Trust women. Trust women to make the decision that is right for themselves and their families.

  • http://carocurry1.blogspot.com Caroline

    Powerfully written . . . I won’t even get into the Norris Hall comment.

  • Rob

    Impassioned arguments all.

    A common theme seems to be “women’s rights”, ‘women’s decisions”, but no-one seems to be considering the rights of the aborted child to be born.

    Everyone in favor of abortion is already born. And you only exist because your mother chose NOT to have an abortion.

    Whilst the taking of a life, any life is abhorrent, sometimes it is necessary to do the wrong thing for the right reasons. Defend those who cannot defend themselves. Give a voice to the voiceless. Great people throughout history always have.

    I don’t think this comes down to trusting women, or deciding what grown women do with their bodies. It comes down to one person’s decision to end the life of another, because it suits their needs. Whatever they may be.

    And before you jump up and down about my being a man, and how would I know, my wife was given a 40% chance of carrying our child to term and surviving childbirth. We were urged to consider abortion. My wife refused. “It’s what a mother does” was her response.

    Not a day goes by that I don’t miss her. But I do have a beautiful baby girl. Someone who brings light, laughter and joy into my life every day. I would give anything to have my wife back, but I do believe she made the right decision.

  • kermit

    The fact is that you wouldn’t give “anything” to have your wife back, Rob. You valued having the kind more – had you not, you would have listened to what the doctor told your family and adopted a child instead or you could have gone the surrogate mother route. You chose not to do that. It suited (presumably) both your needs to have her carry a child and die in the process.

    “It comes down to one person’s decision to end the life of another, because it suits their needs.” Yes, it does. And until someone invents a gestation machine that can bring a fetus to term, it’s going to happen.

    And if you’re going to be completely honest, it’s not about the moral superiority of giving a voice to the unborn. It’s about the fact that you want to forcefully impose your morality on others. Your doctor did not force abortion upon your wife, it was given as an option.

    As a result of abortion, do a lot of wonderful people not get a chance at life? Sure. Had Stephen Hawking’s mom decided to abort (had she known at the time), we would have a great scientist. Yet for all his contribution to science, the man leads a pretty unfortunate personal life.

    My point is that those against abortion really don’t trust women to make that decision. The fact that the child isn’t wanted (and could very well be harmed in those 9 months of gestation) is given no consideration. Never mind about how that child would feel once it found out that its own mother didn’t want them.

    Never mind that in countries where abortion is safely, easily accessible and doesn’t carry the stigma that it does in the US, the abortion rate is actually lower (and the teen pregnancy rate is lower too).

  • Blue

    A doctor once told me he would perform an abortion because he saw it thus: “I hate killing. I would never kill a chicken, but I have cracked eggs.”

    Most sane people are pro-life. Nobody chooses abortion here in the US because they LIKE it. Every woman who becomes pregnant has a right to privacy and the only people allowed to jump up in her vagina are people she chooses. No government or religion has a right to get up in a woman’s business.

    If you think an unborn child is smarter than a pig or cow, you may have a point. I’m pretty sure that a fetus is less aware of its life than the pigs and cows we kill and EAT. THAT is more abhorrent than terminating an unwanted pregnancy. If a woman decides to terminate her pregnancy, I think that is a much wiser choice than raising and thus abusing a child. I personally would neither kill or abuse any child or animal. I am seriously Pro-Life. I will NEVER judge anyone who decides to terminate a pregnancy, however. (that’s a horrible decision for anyone to have to make) I don’t know why someone makes that choice and it is NONE OF MY BUSINESS!! I don’t want to know what’s going on between anyone’s legs….front or back. The government and the churches need to mind their own business, too.

    If you’re going to try and dictate who goes in or out of a woman’s vagina, you need to think about your so-called Pro-life stance. If you’re only Pro-life when it comes to humans, then you’re not really Pro-life. You’re a hypocrite.

  • Rob

    Ah Kermit. Firstly, the decision wasn’t mine. I couldn’t make that decision. It was my wife’s to make. And for the record, I would give anything, even my own life for my wife to be alive again. I would like you to explain to me how losing my wife suited my needs in any way, shape or form. Proposing to understand another’s thought process is extremely arrogant, unless you were there through the whole ordeal.

    I never claimed to take the moral high ground, and have not placed myself as either ‘pro-life’ or ‘pro-choice’, all I said was that the taking of life, for whatever reason is abhorrent. I don’t force my morals, forcefully or otherwise, on anyone. I firmly believe in live and let live, just don’t hurt anyone along the way.

    What motivates you so passionately on this issue? What is your vested interest in this debate? How is it that you feel it appropriate to (presume) what suited our needs?

  • Rob

    And while we’re on the subject Kermit, it sounds to me like you don’t ‘trust’ that my wife made ‘the right decision’. Guess there’s those forceful morals you were talking about.

  • CHAR

    There is no reason anyone should kill anyone espically a baby.. I don’t care what the situation is. Rape or whatever..GOD GAVE US LIFE AND HE WILL BE THE ONLY ONE THAT SHOULD TAKE IT AWAY..I feel bad for anybody to be killed but how do you think that poor innocent baby felt having its little brain sucked out while alive. Can you imagine the pain..You all cry at funerals but think its okay to slain a baby…Your the sick ones…GOD GAVE YOU LIFE AND MAY HE HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL..IF YOU DON’T CHANGE YOUR WAYS YOUR GOING TO KNOW THE TRUE MEANING OF HELL COME JUDGEMENT DAY…GOD WILL MAKE SURE OF THAT CAUSE THOSE ARE HIS BABIES YOU ARE KILLING.. HOW SICK ARE YOU TO THINK THAT WAY.. NOW IM PISSED…

  • http://megger1018.blogspot.com/ Meghan Harvey

    @CHAR,
    This may not be a very proper display of my debating skills, but this is the only response I could muster up on a Monday.
    Suck It.

  • CHAR

    Meghan
    If thats all you got. You are a petiful excuse of a human being.. Im sure that any one with any heart with children or babies would agree. I would hate to think you care about children in general if you can agree to something so cruel..Maybe god will bless with something so painful than you can imagine what an infant that can’t even defends his or herself has to indure, your a poor excuse for a human being…
    and . This is for all the innocent that have been slain… By the way i will pray for you tonight and everyone that believes that way.. May god bless you and give you a heart..

  • CHAR

    one more thing before i say my prayers..I do believe that an abortion is the thing to do only if the baby is already deceased or if the person laying on the table is dying..and then im not really sure about that one..only god can guide them through that but i would die to give my baby life but thats just me…I guess that is in gods hands. I love my babies and would give my life for them..I know you wouldn’t and i would hate to think you have children

  • kermit

    @Rob:

    When you voluntarily bring up your personal story in what clearly had become a debate on abortion (not a sharing of personal stories) then you leave yourself open to criticism.

    Citing personal stories to support the pro-life stance (which is exactly what you did with your ever-so subtle “It’s what a mother does” comment) does not make an argument for adopting a universal policy – a policy that affects everyone, not just your family.

    I responded to your comment because I wanted point out that logic and reason is overwhelmingly absent in the arguments of pro-lifers. Because of this, a proper debate cannot take place, and we (i.e. society) will never reach common ground on the issue.

    The majority – if not all – of the comments here of pro-lifers involve just stating that they believe x and so should everyone else.

    The medical system worked for your and your family – your family had a choice, and abortion was given as an option – an option which you were free to decline without being ostracized. What I’m arguing is that other people should have the same freedom of choice you enjoyed without being made to feel guilty with emotional appeals of “it’s what a mother does” sanctimonious bullshit about fighting for the rights of the defenseless.

    Do I personally think your wife made the right decision? No. To me, “what a mother does” is to be there for her children to raise them. What a mother does is not value those 9 months of gestation over and above actually being there to raise them for the rest of her life. Being pregnant for 9 months involves little more than taking care of one’s body. That is nowhere near as challenging as parenting a kid that can respond to you and to whom you have to respond and explain things.

    Just because I don’t think she made the right choice doesn’t mean I don’t support her having the choice. I also happen to think it’s stupid and irresponsible for celebrities like Farah Fawcett to encourage people to seek alternative cancer treatment that doesn’t work or for people that exploit the home-schooling option to indoctrinate their children with falsities, like the polygamy communities in Utah do on a regular basis. Giving people freedom of choice doesn’t mean freedom from stupidity comes along with it. First and foremost it’s they that have to live with their decisions.

  • CHAR

    Megan, I went to bed last night and i was very upset that i lost my temper with you. Listen. I should never wish bad on anybody no matter what and god does not bless us with bad things the devil does..He is a good god and one i will always put first in my life besides my babies..It is your opinion no matter how much i do not like it but i love life and i love all babies and i will speak for them because they don’t have a voice to hear them cry out for someone to stop hurting them…I wish i could change everyones minds but i can’t . .. NE ways may god bless you and i hope you do have a heart and change your way of thinking..but if not than only you will know your fate come judgement day and see all babies that have been killed sitting beside god so that all that believe it is okay to kill them really wasn’t but no matter what they will go back to god because they will always be his children.I will keep you in my prayers everynight and all that believe like you.

  • Kerstin

    The picture posted by Jessica says it all. The numbers of abortions are roughly the same whether they are legal or not.
    So to be perfectly blunt, abortion at its core is a political question and nothing else. It has always been available for those with money and connections.
    When legal and safe abortion, and other contraceptives such as the day after pill, is readily available IF NEEDED, maybe this hypocritical country can start educate its children about safe sex, to say no to sex when they don’t want to participate in it, give them tools and answers so they can face peer pressure and so on.

  • PDXsays

    To All Those Who Invoke God or Divinity..

    Knock it the Fuck Off… really!

    Can we have a little freedom of religion as a side with our freedom of choice?

    Invoking religion in this discussion is like walking down the street with the ass cut out of your pants. Yes, pants… you know.. as in the Urban Dictionary definition of “pants.”

  • CHAR

    PDX says,,
    Can you please not use foul language on here..I find it insulting to everyone including yourself.. and by the way GOD is the reason we are all here and yes we do have choice but its in the end some of us will pay dearly for those choices just remember that.. God Bless and have a good night.

  • http://jessicagottlieb.com Jessica

    Great discussion here, but y’all can cuss all you want so long as you’re not name calling each other.

    Every time a woman puts her life at risk I want to scream “Hey G-d what the FUCK is going on?”

    It’s just a word. My readers are really good people, and if this space can make y’all think things through, then I’m a success.

  • CHAR

    It all boils down to do any of you that believe in abortions early or late believe in the word of GOD..becuase if you do than there is no way you believe in his word or other wise you would live by his word.. For those of you that have children, toddler, and up would you want to hurt the person that killed them..Well i would hope so so what is the difference in a little human being, thats right a little human being that cant defend its self..God says he will avenge those and one thing u don’t do is kill one of his babies…

  • PDXsays

    I think that’s just the point, Char. It’s *so not* your place to tell me I have experienced an insult to my person or body because *you* do or don’t like something. Nope, nothing to do with you at all.

    What does feel insulting is the pretty lame attempt to gag me with the inappropriate language argumentation. Language we all can see has been used before in this blog, site, and comment thread *prior* to my post.

    I mean have you ever even seen Jessica’s blog or tweets?

    The topic is the planned murder of a man, and how we think of justice, life and death, and personal rights to decisions and choice, not who is talking PG-13.

  • Jessica

    Char, great discussion, but quoting the new testament might fall on deaf ears here.

    By way of introduction, I’m Jewish and Rabbi’s are cool with the mom before the baby. A lot of my readers are Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist and I have at least one B’Hai reader. I do have X-tian readers too, but I think they have clergy to show them the light.

    So, notsomuch on the new testament by way of argument. We get and respect that it’s your guide, but you might just be a little lonely and it won’t help you persuade anyone.

    Just sayin.

  • CHAR

    Im sorry..I just want to be the cry of the babies who little skulls are having a cold sharp object poked through it and then that vaccum that sucks their little brain out…I want people to imagine what that little person is feeling..There in so much pain and no body to stop the sluttering of the innocense.. Im sorry for all those women who get rapped but instead of waiting a week or month or whatever go straight to the hospital and they have stuff to stop it before the ferilization takes place why wait till its a baby..God has choosen to give us as humans the right of choice thats why he died for us but it takes the ones that believ to get his word out ..Though shall not kill….To take a life and think its your choice well it is but in the end ultimatley they will face judgement….

    All i want to be is a voice for all the innocent babies….

  • fightin’ mad mary

    Hey Char,
    Just a thought – why don’t you start your own blog instead of leaving so many comments here. It’s easy to do, try http://www.blogger.com

    Seriously, it’s a bit rude to just take over a blog post like it’s your own forum. We heard you the first time – why don’t you move on.

  • CHAR

    Because Im allowed to voice my opinion as much as i want. thats exactly whats this forum is for as i understand it. so take it up with Jessica if you have a problem.. You must not be able to handle the truth knowing thats just what it is ..See people like you can’t handle the truth so you try to get people that are maybe taking some thought to it to try and get them to just throw it out like a piece of trash..

    I am the voice of the babies let me cry..Understand that.

  • CHAR

    Oh yeah ..I understand this is about that dr. that was killed and i do not agree with it myself but all i can say is an eye for an eye and he has taken out one to many an the person that did it lost his mind and didn’t want it to happen to another innocent BABY….Is it right well he will be punished to come his time..But we must all send a voice for the babies being sluttered because they aren’t able to do it themselves..REMEMBER THEIR BEING KILLED…..AND WONT HAVE A CHANCE TO CRY….

  • http://megger1018.blogspot.com/ Meghan Harvey

    Char,
    You know I’ve been trying to refrain from getting into this with you but your last comment was enough for me.
    Eye for an eye? Really? Well than I ask you, who will take God’s eye? How many mothers have you watched say goodbye to beautiful young babies that GOD took from THEM? Why does GOD not protect THOSE babies? How about those mother’s and their endless cries? How do we seek vengeance on God for those babies whom HE takes at will?
    How many babies have YOU lost? How many babies has God taken from you? I myself have had GOD rip 6 babies from my womb. 6. Each one wanted more than life itself. Each one loved with everything in my very soul.
    And how many times have you had a doctor stick a needle into YOUR pregnant belly & tell you that by the time your test results come in you will be past your 21st week. And if those results are bad, you will have to make a choice. How many weeks have you sat by the phone and counted. Week 19. Week 20. Week 21. Waiting to hear the fate of your unborn baby?
    I have, twice.
    So do not pass judgement on me, because I do not blame God for my losses. And I do not blame women who have abortions or doctors who perform them or the choices they make.
    And do not pray for my soul. God and I, well we’re just fine. I sleep well at night and have no concerns over what’s waiting for me, my children, and my family on the other side. We’re covered. So send your prayers to the grieving family of Dr. Tiller. Or of the family of the security guard who died yesterday at the Holocaust Museum at the hands of a madman. Pray for strength for all the mothers in the world who have a lost a child because of GOD’s reckless and random will. Don’t waist your prayers on me, I’m just fine.

  • PDXsays

    Dear Char,

    Take you rolling soap opera to that channel…

    1) More pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion than reach live birth. And women don’t know it. REASON: Many fetuses aren’t viable. You want o further your cause – educate your trailer-park of a mind.

    2)Dr Tiller had a mother…console her on the murder of her son, Oh true follower of Christ. Sheesh.

  • Alicia

    First and for most, I find ‘MOST’ of you people down right disgusting!! I totally agree with Char on everything she has voiced her opinion on. How can anyone is their right state of mind agree with killing an actual LIFE, without even giving it a chance?? If it is not wanted, still have the baby then have it adopted. There is no reason what so ever to choose abortions!! For DAVID–You are very right when you say the procedure will be soon forgotten if not brought about, which is what 87 percent of Americans want!! Most states restrict this procedure because of how it’s done and why!!!!! That is why assholes like you are very well hated! How would you like it if you were to get into a car accident and have deformities and be a burden on family–would you like me to punture your skull, suck your brains out, wipe my hands off & say thats done-No, you would not!! That is the most digusting thing I have ever heard of in my entire life!!

    How can someone sleep at night knowing what they have just done or HAD done–people in the right mind could not…monsters can!! Keep in mind that, the little baby inside you is a LIFE–Yes, people are aloud to attain Pro-Choice, but how about that little life inside of you choice?? Because you are carrying it, it gives you the right to decide?? I totally do not agree with that!!! As for Meghan–enough with the pity party!! That is indeed terrible for you to have to go through, but what about the other mothers that have gone through this? You act as if your the only one! I have not have a child taken away from me and I thank GOD for that!!! But, I did have a scare that my 3rd and last baby might have a deformity–FORTUNATELY he did not! I went through all the procedures as you listed, but not once did it cross my mind to have an abortion!!! That was my baby boy, and whether or not he had 4 legs, 6 toes, two heads–I didn’t care! He still was a HUMAN BEING who deserved to live!! You say your not blaming God–but what did you mention in your above paragraph? Who are you blaming it on Meghan?

    PDX–How about taking your soap opera to “THAT CHANNEL”–I will speak for myself & Char on this note-Our prayers do go out to Dr. Tillers Mother, children, wife, brothers–WHOEVER, but not for once second do I feel sorry for him!! On a personal note, I think he should have his brains sucked out of his head–or had his body torn in two pieces!! How about that for a soap opera??

  • fightin’ mad mary

    I’d just like to thank Char and Alicia especially for inspiring me to make a substantial donation to Planned Parenthood today.

  • http://megger1018.blogspot.com/ Meghan Harvey

    Well, I tried to get people to see things from another point of view. But since that was a waist of time, I’ve decided to stick with my original sentiments.
    1. If you don’t like abortion DON’T FUCKING HAVE ONE.
    2. Suck it.

    That is all.

  • Alicia

    HA HA HA HA HA ! ! ! !

    Impressive!!!

  • CHAR

    Meghan,

    Just for your information.. I do know what it is like to loose a baby ….I DID…and it tore me apart..and then with my son i was told he might have down sydrome.. I didn’t care i was going to have this baby even if he did have special needs and that would have made him twice as special…He was born perfectly healthy and im lucky to have 4 healthy children and almost 6 healthy grandchildren so believe me i have been there.. So your excuses mean nothing to me..

    I say still have it against all odds and whether the baby be healthy or not, be glad that you did have one and let the time you do have with it be special even only for a few short moments..give the baby the respect it deserves…And yes you are blaming GOD..you have stated that very clearly…

    PDX,
    this isn’t about spontanious abortions where a baby aborts it’s self its about the right to give one life if it is alive inside of you..Not a doctor or anyone has that right to go up in a womb and drag it out to kill it..

    Why is it someone close to us gets killed or dies and we blame it on other people for their deaths and want that person to be brought to justice but hey go ahead and kill a baby and throw it in the trash like a piece of garbage and thats okay..

    Not pointing the fingers at anyone person but it goes to show who the real sick one are doesn’t it?

  • PDXsays

    Alicia says.. “On a personal note, I think he should have his brains sucked out of his head–or had his body torn in two pieces!! “… u really want to get him, u can do it after death… mail that statement to Dr Tiller’s mother in your condolences card.

    Jessica… Alicia’s “your an asshole” comment to people intentionally violates the no-name calling code you set.

    I think that these people are calling each other and writing each other to congregate here and hold their grudge match on your blog comments.

    And Char… you can strut that “I lost a baby” from a spontaneous abortion that your biology chose as the correct course of action to whatever the heck was going on in that fetus. But you cross the line with your bile and disrespect for the grief caused by loss of life of another mother’s child.

    I don’t believe you *ever* had a miscarriage. I think your a liar. Because I *am* the mother of a child who lived and breathed and played and died. And no other who watched her child die – including Mary, mother of Jesus-would wish that on another mother. Yet you do.

    Jessica, I swear, if you don’t lock this noise down, I will haunt your tweets.

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  • Carole

    Jessica,

    I realize being Jewish you do not recognize the New Testament. How about something from the Torah? Exodus 21:22 “And if men strive together and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart, and yet no harm follows, he surely will be fined, according as the woman’s husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay what the judges determine. but if ANY harm follow then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth,hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, stripe for stripe.”

    A fine is levied for injury, but it is the death penalty for what is called today “collateral damage”. Killing the baby ON PURPOSE would therefore be unthinkable!

  • PDXsays

    Jessica.

    I give up… let the trolls have this blog’s comment threads posting to feed on.

    Meat’s back on the menu, Boys!

  • Carole

    Jessica,

    You invited commentary on your viewpoint by putting this blog out there. I have been most civil. I did not “call for the death of abortionists”.. They
    should be brought to trial just as Scott Roeder will be. The “hate speech” you accuse me and others of has been mostly from the pro-abortion camp. Some of it is downright vile with all the profanity. In my opinion sending me a personal email and posting your comment saying that you are “forwarding our names to the FBI” constitutes a threat of harassment and I maybe I need to have my lawyer contact you on this matter. Thank you for your clear demonstration of how pro-abortion people operate when you know you have no leg to stand on.

  • CHAR

    Meghan, I did loose a baby and i am not a liar..I do not care if you believe me or not..But oh well. I do believe in the right to life and the right to choose but its when it comes to taking a babies life it can not choose for its self..I will speak out for them all of them…And your comment MEATS BACK ON THE MENU BOY!!! WOW WHAT A TERM TO USE AGAINST WOMEN INCLUDING YOURSELF..SHOWS YOU HOW MUCH YOU THINK OF YOURSELF..TAKE THAT TO THE (SOAP OPERA CHANNEL)

    Jessica,,i did respect your wishes and i have not ask anyone else not to use foul language..This is your blog but you did ask for opinions and now, well it has turned into a debate but i will always speak for a baby..and i don’t care who the truth hurts..

    I DO BELIEVE IN GOD AND IM NOT ASHAMED TO SAY IT…AND I LOVE BABIES ALL BABIES AND THEY DON’T EVEN HAVE TO BE MINE…KNOW WHY BECAUSE I DO HAVE A HEART UNLIKE ALOT OF PEOPLE…NO NAMES MENTIONED….

    Fighting Mary,,,All i can say to you also you will be the one to pay for your actions come judgement day…

    god bless all of you and may he find you peace.

  • http://megger1018.blogspot.com/ Meghan Harvey

    CHar, I think your comment was meant for someone else, not me. Please read closer, I said none of those things.

  • CHAR

    Meghan,

    I am very sorry.. I meant that for PDX, Once again i am very sorry…

  • another idiot

    Let her one nightstand pay for the abortion. Enact a law to force the easy lay to notify the idiot who knocked her up. Let them both be responsible for the, “LIFE”, (ALARM – I used the L-word) I know I will hear all the crap about it’s her body, her life blah, blah blah. But there is another scum involved who should take some responsibility and be a man. To all the men like Kermit and Co., and all the women like PDX & Co. you are full of it. Abortion is an easy way out for the man. Let him off easy, idiots.

    At the end of the day, Tiller is dead, his killer is in jail and will die there. So if you believe in a just god, they will both get what they deserve one day. No human laws, no activism, no politics. Just right and wrong. If you don’t believe, then it is natural selection, let the loudest, nastiest, strongest and often stupidest person win the debate.

  • PDXsays

    Hey Jessica..
    A very telling thing has happened here – I *never* stated my position about abortion.

    Yes I am being attacked as a pro-choice supporter.

    All I asked was consideration for a grieving mother and room for intelligent discussion, under the Constitution. And out of the woodwork comes the a whole gaggle of folks who are yelling at me for nothing I said.

    Funny, how that works.

  • kermit

    “Another idiot”: I am a woman, not a man.

    Thank you for living up to your pseudonym though by saying that abortion is about punishing people, and lets men off easy.

  • Rob

    @Kermit

    Excellent use of the word sanctimonious. Sums you up in a single adjective. You still have not revealed your agenda. What drives you so passionately? Why is it you feel the need to decry anyone whose opinion, experience of stand is even moderately different to your own?

    I will recap a small, but very important point for you – my wife was given a 40% chance of surviving the pregnancy. She did have a choice and she chose to do what, in her words and opinion was “what a mother does”. Call her thoughts sanctimonious bullshit if you like. But you only say that because she doesn’t believe, didn’t do and didn’t say what you would have. She chose to risk her own life for that of her child. An unselfish act. Something I wager you have never done in your life.

    I do find it ironic that you categorize anyone who offers a different view of the debate from your own as ‘pro-life’ and devoid of logic and reason. I wasn’t offering an opinion, merely sharing an experience. If you feel the need to criticize me, go for it. I don’t expect you to criticize my wife. Someone who cannot defend herself.

  • http://jessicagottlieb.com Jessica Gottlieb

    Um, I’m pro life.

  • another idiot

    Jessica:

    So, you are pro-life. And Rush Limbaugh loves blacks and Ann Coulter is a beacon of tolerance and truth. Please!! Everyone should start wearing their own hoods.
    It is just moral cowardice. It is always a safe place to say “I am on your side, but… (totally against you)”.

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